Thank you for your comment with so many good points. My friend thinks I was a Templer in a past life who like and befriended Muslims and didn’t really believe in the cause. It fits. Thanks so much for your comments.

We almost all hear voices, depending on how the question is put. It is like “have you been abused?” as a direct question gets mostly “no” as the response that self protective ego- no one does that shit too ME! damn it”. Asked if x ever happened or y or…(continued thru the list)… and people “see” what was just a silly general question. Specificity matters. Clients were sometimes amazed coming on me conversing with my lawn work equipment. threatening it. They understood swiftly it was my way of not cursing on the job. These days , aching for a good conversation I vocalize rather than internalize my thoughts. It is also a sign of the extrovert- dont know our own mind till we hear ourselves mouth it. There is evidence that hearing those voices may be complicated because some can not recognize the internality of their own “vocalized-in-words for clarity sake ” thoughts. ( It is a discrete circuit akin to that which orients us in space.. )or fail refuse to “own” it. Your conversation style “sounds” to me like a clarification of the message rather a Im right youre wrong deal breaker that “rsationalists insist upon. That pegs you perhaps an Jungian as well as , who knows, freudian. or more just a dedicated socratic.

I do believe there is a greater (sometimes less) genetic predisposition for some who experience psychosis, that it is intimately linked to hormones and the continuing wiring work between birth and death. Interestingly different times of onset present different clusters. You would think the experts would ponder that- would have for a long while already. wrong. When your dinner or meal ticket or salary depends on faithfulness to your teachers and their school of thought… you learn the pledge and act as if it mattered for more, like even maybe for truth and justice and compassion. I donno. I do know I could not work in system. “we are getting somewhere here, please hold that epiphany till next time,” beep- beep beep time is up. People as shift work? Noooo. I tried. not for long.

So with holding place with the someone’s psychotic content, I think its like being a good audience in a small, close music event. Listening properly is NOT passive, and the music example shows no words are necessary. Does this sound “mind meld? well it is. skip the shock of the woo woo “how could that be?” I do not like “how” questions. I insist that we define the phenomena first. On my own I’ve always just noted it as data points. you do not connect one dot. it takes many and some turn out to be noise. that editing comes at the tail end. I tell people “I do not believe in reincarnation, morphic fields” and or “panconsciousness” but i have had a good number of experiences…” those are all words and have a story- an explanation. I like experience.

Perhaps I was a pilgrim before the world ran me over. again -“I donno”. But your blogs make sense. And your views of “the system” also- for me and so many other correspondents in this virtual online community. It sounds you were never a psychonaut. I was. and never a bumb trip. Some were a pain in the ass. Being on a bus with 50 aliens whispering was a pain in the ass. Being in the emotions of maybe 300 others in the LA Greyhound was – indescribable. the sadness of humanity of it all. but not a freak out either. first drug was lsd. interesting what my mind is projecting. maya from measure in sanskrit , “illusion” in plainer english. The world (made of story the vedics tell us) is projected by the eye and then received by the eye. It is not I will believe it when
I see it. it is I will see it when I believe it. Till we dont care and let it happen. and just watch it. I feel sorry for those who were so traumatized that they can not hold the memory and stay with the witness at the same time. All my abuse was of the emotional neglect kind. Statistics says we become sociopathic. I can relate to that. I try not to surrender. It has practical value. It is a good tool for counseling work or investigating ( i was a court advocate for children. I allowed parents to hang themselves with a perfect poker face).

Thanks for sharing the post. on f.b.