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		By: Clyde Dee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clyde Dee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2016 15:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-197&quot;&gt;PaisleyToes.com&lt;/a&gt;.

Right, and the point is to teach people so many explanations that they can learn to make those causation matters irrelevant and just accept what they are experiencing-- and let them know they are in good company.  But doing this can be a process and it is very okay to go through it.  Thanks so much for your read and comment!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-197">PaisleyToes.com</a>.</p>
<p>Right, and the point is to teach people so many explanations that they can learn to make those causation matters irrelevant and just accept what they are experiencing&#8211; and let them know they are in good company.  But doing this can be a process and it is very okay to go through it.  Thanks so much for your read and comment!!</p>
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		By: Clyde Dee		</title>
		<link>https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clyde Dee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2016 15:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-198&quot;&gt;PaisleyToes.com&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear PaiselyToes:

I am a big fan of Foucault as well and am very influenced by his theory. To be honest though I am trying to write a book without references. I am trying to honor stories of on the ground &quot;psychosis&quot; by referencing and disguising them.  

Perhaps it is laziness mixed with a little rebellion about academic traditions that did little to help me when I was incarcerated.  

It is also about being authentic and who I am. I am not a prolific reader, I am a prolific liver who likes to write.  I believe I am good at writing but very poor when it comes to reading about. As a reader, I am slow and painstaking and it is not fun for me.

I am going to connect with you on facebook and checkout to see if you are connected to groups that I don&#039;t know about. The suggestion of an event is a very good one, thank you very much!!!
  
Sincerley,

Clyde]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-198">PaisleyToes.com</a>.</p>
<p>Dear PaiselyToes:</p>
<p>I am a big fan of Foucault as well and am very influenced by his theory. To be honest though I am trying to write a book without references. I am trying to honor stories of on the ground &#8220;psychosis&#8221; by referencing and disguising them.  </p>
<p>Perhaps it is laziness mixed with a little rebellion about academic traditions that did little to help me when I was incarcerated.  </p>
<p>It is also about being authentic and who I am. I am not a prolific reader, I am a prolific liver who likes to write.  I believe I am good at writing but very poor when it comes to reading about. As a reader, I am slow and painstaking and it is not fun for me.</p>
<p>I am going to connect with you on facebook and checkout to see if you are connected to groups that I don&#8217;t know about. The suggestion of an event is a very good one, thank you very much!!!</p>
<p>Sincerley,</p>
<p>Clyde</p>
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		By: PaisleyToes.com		</title>
		<link>https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-198</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 21:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a big Foucault Madness and Civilization fan.  I can see how that would fit into this scheme very well -- that society labels us and decides what our voices mean.  I tend to believe this.  Have you looked at Foucault in your studies/writing?  Is it in your new book at all?  I look forward to reading it and finding out.  
PS -- you should create a FB event and invite a lot of people for your new book Oct 17.  I could send you the names of some FB groups that would be interested, and then it would go on people&#039;s FB calendars.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big Foucault Madness and Civilization fan.  I can see how that would fit into this scheme very well &#8212; that society labels us and decides what our voices mean.  I tend to believe this.  Have you looked at Foucault in your studies/writing?  Is it in your new book at all?  I look forward to reading it and finding out.<br />
PS &#8212; you should create a FB event and invite a lot of people for your new book Oct 17.  I could send you the names of some FB groups that would be interested, and then it would go on people&#8217;s FB calendars.</p>
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		By: PaisleyToes.com		</title>
		<link>https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-197</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 21:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-195&quot;&gt;Don Karp&lt;/a&gt;.

Because hearing voices is very disturbing and we want to know why they are there.  Did I do something wrong?  Was I abused?  Is God punishing me?  Is someone out to get me?  Is it just a neuro reaction?  Maybe ultimately what&#039;s most important is the opportunity to label yourself and your experiences.  
And every mental health professional has some preconceived notion of why you hear voices which leaks out at some point.  I want more control over my self-concept than just accepting another&#039;s interpretation.  One CBT counselor believed it was in the past and irrelevant, and said I should just ignore them.  This kept me stuck for years, and devalued the role of voices in my life.  If I had had a strong opinion on where they came from I could have discussed the mismatch in our views or maybe found someone who matched better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-195">Don Karp</a>.</p>
<p>Because hearing voices is very disturbing and we want to know why they are there.  Did I do something wrong?  Was I abused?  Is God punishing me?  Is someone out to get me?  Is it just a neuro reaction?  Maybe ultimately what&#8217;s most important is the opportunity to label yourself and your experiences.<br />
And every mental health professional has some preconceived notion of why you hear voices which leaks out at some point.  I want more control over my self-concept than just accepting another&#8217;s interpretation.  One CBT counselor believed it was in the past and irrelevant, and said I should just ignore them.  This kept me stuck for years, and devalued the role of voices in my life.  If I had had a strong opinion on where they came from I could have discussed the mismatch in our views or maybe found someone who matched better.</p>
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		By: Clyde Dee		</title>
		<link>https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-196</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clyde Dee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2016 13:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-195&quot;&gt;Don Karp&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Don, thanks for your comment. I understand that labels and categories are triggering and hadn&#039;t thought of that.  The point of what I wrote is to bring reality and validation to all potential causation experiences.  It comes from eight years of excited listening. My point is that while some causation explanations are 95% correct for a person who is experienced with them, there are small time periods when they may cause that person distress. Learning to be flexible and to realize that another explanation can be used is meant to help support people. Additionally, I have found that listening to other peoples causation explanations has helped me from a lot of trauma I experienced when I was in crisis, when I thought the mafia was after me and the only job I could find was working at an Italian Deli. For me the DSM labels are still very distressing so point well taken. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://timdreby.com/the-importance-of-causation-in-psychosis/#comment-195">Don Karp</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Don, thanks for your comment. I understand that labels and categories are triggering and hadn&#8217;t thought of that.  The point of what I wrote is to bring reality and validation to all potential causation experiences.  It comes from eight years of excited listening. My point is that while some causation explanations are 95% correct for a person who is experienced with them, there are small time periods when they may cause that person distress. Learning to be flexible and to realize that another explanation can be used is meant to help support people. Additionally, I have found that listening to other peoples causation explanations has helped me from a lot of trauma I experienced when I was in crisis, when I thought the mafia was after me and the only job I could find was working at an Italian Deli. For me the DSM labels are still very distressing so point well taken. </p>
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		By: Don Karp		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2016 17:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve not yet dealt with someone in crisis. But I have been to many peer support groups for hearing voices. I do not understand why it is necessary to go into causes of voice hearing. Can&#039;t we just listen to the &quot;afflicted&quot; person and be supportive? Labeling sources, to me, seems very clinical, and harkens back to DSM categories and behaviors. Why can&#039;t the voices be accepted at face value without interpretations?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not yet dealt with someone in crisis. But I have been to many peer support groups for hearing voices. I do not understand why it is necessary to go into causes of voice hearing. Can&#8217;t we just listen to the &#8220;afflicted&#8221; person and be supportive? Labeling sources, to me, seems very clinical, and harkens back to DSM categories and behaviors. Why can&#8217;t the voices be accepted at face value without interpretations?</p>
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